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 Post subject: Twin turbo?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:38 pm 
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Ok, i understand how to do a single turbo...but how about twin?...Like what is different and stuff like that


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Theres a second turbo


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Plus......... There is also another turbo!

Actually I have no idea what I'm talking about.

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Well duh there's two turbos.....nobody gots a clue?


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Not entirely sure of this myself, but here's what I know:

1) Sequential twin turbos - idea is, small turbo provides low down boost, then a larger turbo provides the boost higher up when the small one runs out of puff. About the only good thing to come out of this setup was the development of engines with turbo and superchargers (supercharger in place of the smaller turbo). Cars that use this setup include the Supra RZ, the Mazda RX-7 and the Subaru Legacy. Most performance modders remove the twin turbo setup, cos it sucks! The small turbos are often the same size, and (especially noted on Legacys) after only a few minor mods (exhaust, air filter, chip) - your small turbo cooks itself due to it running above it's safe speed.

OOPS - Edited cos I clicked the wrong button!

2) PROPER twin turbos - not sure the score here, but the two turbos work together - usually (I think :-? ) one turbo feeds half the engine (like one bank on a V-8), and the other one feeds the other half. This way you get quick spool up AND good performance, as you can have a small turbo and it only has to feed 2 or 3 cylinders. Cars to use this type of setup include the Mitsubishi GTO/3000GT and the Nissan Skyline GTR.

Try searching on Google for more info on these setups - it's not something I spent much time looking at, as I more or less figure it was a bad idea for a 4 cylinder once I glanced at the subject.

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this is a good read on TT'ing a 4cyl engine

http://www.omniturbo.com/Mopar%20Pages/ ... detail.htm

plus the guy uses mitsu turbos :D

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Bloody hell! Leave it to the Turbododge crowd to do something insane like that for ghetto-cheap.

I love it!

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i have always wanted to do this on my 4g61t. its just something different!! i have a few mods and have made about 210bhp. with a td0514g turbo. after some more mods i should get higher after my emanage is tuned and all. i have been looking at different turbos and really dont want to go to a 16g or 20g as i think i will lose way to much drivabillity. so i was thinks say if a 11g turbo maxes out at like 12 psi maybe two would be the answer? double the psi and double the ability to flow hp's? i have seen nice manifolds made and was thinking about this for and upgrade/ something diff. what does every one think? or do you think 13g td04's would be better? wouldnt they be to large?


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Not entirely sure of this myself, but here's what I know:

1) Sequential twin turbos - idea is, small turbo provides low down boost, then a larger turbo provides the boost higher up when the small one runs out of puff. About the only good thing to come out of this setup was the development of engines with turbo and superchargers (supercharger in place of the smaller turbo). Cars that use this setup include the Supra RZ, the Mazda RX-7 and the Subaru Legacy. Most performance modders remove the twin turbo setup, cos it sucks! The small turbos are often the same size, and (especially noted on Legacys) after only a few minor mods (exhaust, air filter, chip) - your small turbo cooks itself due to it running above it's safe speed.

OOPS - Edited cos I clicked the wrong button!

2) PROPER twin turbos - not sure the score here, but the two turbos work together - usually (I think :-? ) one turbo feeds half the engine (like one bank on a V-8), and the other one feeds the other half. This way you get quick spool up AND good performance, as you can have a small turbo and it only has to feed 2 or 3 cylinders. Cars to use this type of setup include the Mitsubishi GTO/3000GT and the Nissan Skyline GTR.

Try searching on Google for more info on these setups - it's not something I spent much time looking at, as I more or less figure it was a bad idea for a 4 cylinder once I glanced at the subject.
For the most part you're right. Here's a bit of an edit job.

Sequential Turbos - This is a very effective street setup that is usually found on inline 6-cylinder motors like the ones found on the Supra (as mentioned) and the RB26DETT found on the Nissan Skyline GT-R. For huge power this setup is usually ditched in favor of one massive turbo.
As for replacing the smaller turbo which is used for low end by a supercharger, yes it has been done. However, this isn't considered an advancement from sequential turbos. It's not an easy thing to do since it's a plummer's nightmare and you usually need to find a way to control the switchover.

Twin Turbo - You're pretty much right on with this part. This is the setup found on V, W, and boxer motors. You were wrong in that this is the setup on the Skyline GT-R. It is the setup found on the 6G72TT 3000GT/VR-4 and MR, as well as the B5 Audi S4, and Porsche 911 Turbo.

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hang on a second he was right!! the skyline's using the rb26dett use a twin turbo individual of each other, drawing through individual air flow meters into each turbo then being compressed into a twin entry intercooler the joins into one exit to the tb. this is a side by side set up used a few different setups. the supra as stated uses the sequential urbo setup. using a smaller turbo to come in lower rpm to give low down torque and to help spool up the next turbo.


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Bloody #*!!! Leave it to the Turbododge crowd to do something insane like that for ghetto-cheap.

I love it!

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thats the first time you have seen that Jay????

the only reason i knew of it was cuz it was posted either here or on mirageforums....

i just had to remember what to type in google to find it

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hang on a second he was right!! the skyline's using the rb26dett use a twin turbo individual of each other, drawing through individual air flow meters into each turbo then being compressed into a twin entry intercooler the joins into one exit to the tb. this is a side by side set up used a few different setups. the supra as stated uses the sequential urbo setup. using a smaller turbo to come in lower rpm to give low down torque and to help spool up the next turbo.
Wow, I was fooled. Learn something new everyday.

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your 1.6 wont have enough squirt to spool two T25 let alone anything bigger. You'll take up MORE ROOM and create MORE WEIGHT in the process oftrying to make 250 HP. There are a couple of 1.6ers on this board who are making in excess of 200 horses on their 1.6's with a single turbo setup and a new I/C. I'm not saying it can't be done, nor am I trying to dissuade you from doing it.
I'm just letting you know there are others who have tried it long before you knew what a turbo Colt or even a DSM was :wink: And even those people abandoned the idea as it was a waste of time and more importantly, their effort

I'd be more interested in you doing a ported 1.6 head, 2.0 HKD cams and maybe a ported and clipped 20G :twisted:



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this is a good read on TT'ing a 4cyl engine
http://www.omniturbo.com/Mopar%20Pages/ ... detail.htm
I swear, the turbo SOHC dodge guys are the most ghetto-modding freaks on earth. I've never seen one of these cars done right. They ALWAYS blow them up at the track too. Bleh.

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this is a good read on TT'ing a 4cyl engine
http://www.omniturbo.com/Mopar%20Pages/ ... detail.htm
I swear, the turbo SOHC dodge guys are the most ghetto-modding freaks on earth. I've never seen one of these cars done right. They ALWAYS blow them up at the track too. Bleh.
and I LOVE it! :)


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