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I consider turbo lag making jack-shit for power until 5,000rpm. That's just me.
The TD04 13g is a good turbo for the 4g61, just to get things started off. You can go bigger later after you've done all the other supporting mods.

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91 GSX - 511fwhp and 352 lb/ft 25psi 110 octane, 7.68 @ 95.9mph 1/8th 21psi 91 octane, 11.93 @ 112.9mph, 117.7mph best trap speed, 20psi 91 octane
98 Volvo S70 T5 - DD

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Damn, dropping the oil pan and threading in four squirters is half the motor in your opinion? Lord, I can only imagine what you consider a balance shaft delete or clutch replacement to be. Let alone actually building an engine or transmission.

You guys don't see the need for oil squirters, that's cool. But discouraging their use and arguing their efficacy is not productive.

My NA 4g61 with a 16g saw 20psi before 4,000 RPM. They have a short stroke and therefore terrible power production in the low end but will happily rev to 8,000 RPM so the comparatively late spool does not really matter.

Haven't discouraged their use at all, never said they weren't a good thing. Just don't feel the need to install them on something that didn't come with them originally.

As for oil pan removal, well, if the engine is already in the car, then it's a bit more work. Not sure why you're creeping close to the personal insult territory with the 'balance shaft/clutch replacement' comment. If I had said they were useless and a waste of time, perhaps this could deteriorate into that sort of thing...but all I said was "I don't install them on something that they didn't come on originally", because they're not a critical component for boost, IMO.

Now, about the 13G...
I have one on my 1.6, and it's hilariously fun .

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Early 2000's: 1992 Summit sedan - 14.1 @ 100.9mph w/ 155/80 13s
2012: 1989 Dodge Colt GT Turbo - 14.9 @ 100mph, 10psi/s16G

Haha nice one bud, did you use factory waste-gate and blow off? Was thinking aftermarket, but if I can save the cash...

Yessir! I highly recommend upgrading to a better exhaust manifold too, as the stocker has a puny outlet. I'm running a 1G DSM one, not sure what the equivalent would be in your area.

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Early 2000's: 1992 Summit sedan - 14.1 @ 100.9mph w/ 155/80 13s
2012: 1989 Dodge Colt GT Turbo - 14.9 @ 100mph, 10psi/s16G

They just have Galant VR4's and early EVO's running around everywhere. No big deal...

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91 GSX - 511fwhp and 352 lb/ft 25psi 110 octane, 7.68 @ 95.9mph 1/8th 21psi 91 octane, 11.93 @ 112.9mph, 117.7mph best trap speed, 20psi 91 octane
98 Volvo S70 T5 - DD

http://www.facebook.com/captaintonus

Gee, is that all? lol.
Lucky guys .

I can't say how much power the 13G is making over the stocker, but it's a DEFINITE kick in the pants. Even a buddy at a local race garage found it fun as heck to drive. It's quick, not fast, but definitely quick .

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Early 2000's: 1992 Summit sedan - 14.1 @ 100.9mph w/ 155/80 13s
2012: 1989 Dodge Colt GT Turbo - 14.9 @ 100mph, 10psi/s16G

Pant kicker? Haha nice! also wanted to know if it would be a good idea to upgrade the exhaust to a 2.5inch straight from the exhaust manifold (car is still N/A at the moment )?

Well, I'm running a 3" turbo back exhaust, with a 3" catalytic converter, and a single muffler at the back. It's a BIT too big for the little 1.6/13G, but I'll grow into it eventually . 2.5" would be a good size for a turbo 1.6/2.0, but could be noisy for no reason on an N/A car.

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Early 2000's: 1992 Summit sedan - 14.1 @ 100.9mph w/ 155/80 13s
2012: 1989 Dodge Colt GT Turbo - 14.9 @ 100mph, 10psi/s16G

Does the car have a catalytic converter? If not, I'd just leave it alone. Upgrading the exhaust will only make it louder.

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91 GSX - 511fwhp and 352 lb/ft 25psi 110 octane, 7.68 @ 95.9mph 1/8th 21psi 91 octane, 11.93 @ 112.9mph, 117.7mph best trap speed, 20psi 91 octane
98 Volvo S70 T5 - DD

http://www.facebook.com/captaintonus

Yeah nah, not too keen of a loud as vehicle cos a) dont need the attention and b) not a loser thanks bud, much help.

"A bit more work."

What do mean by this? Here, I'll make a list as I've done it and you are speculating.

1) Drain oil.
2) Disconnect down pipe from exhaust manifold.
3) Remove oil pan.
4) Remove the bolts and crush washers currently residing in the already drilled and tapped bosses for the oil squirters found in every 4g61.
5) Install the oil squirters and crush washers.
6) Install oil pan, preferably with a new gasket.
7) Reconnect downpipe.

Yes it was a personal insult. You are speculating as to the work required and not speaking from experience. And yes you are absolutely discouraging their use.

If you think they are useful and perform a desirable function then why wouldn't you install them when doing so is very simple?

0) Jack up car, place on jack stands. 2a) Support engine, remove crossmember and roll stoppers, if you're doing it right.
2b) Remove transmission dust plate.
2c) Remove oil return. 6a) Throw gasket away and use proper sealant. This is confusing, and disappointing, because all I've done is disagree with the need to install them in an engine if they were not there originally. Nor would I take them out if they were there. They are 100% not required in a turbo motor, and their lack won't cause any problems. Not a single insult was spoken in your direction, but you seem to have taken my words personally. You're putting words in my mouth when you say I am discouraging their use. I am discouraging their INSTALLATION, again, if they didn't come on the engine. Even if there's spots for them. Why bother, when they're a luxury...not a necessity. I feel I keep repeating myself...
The same reason I wouldn't turbocharge my daily driver if it was N/A...it's not needed for a successful drive. Sure, it's a great OPTION, but at $15 each, plus bolts (if required), I don't consider them 'de rigeur'. Useful and desireable doesn't always mean NECESSARY.

Now, if you can't accept my opinion, and it is simply that, that's not my problem. I'm not PMing people to tell them not to install them, I don't have a quarterly 'anti-squirter newsletter' that I send out, and I don't have radio or television spots. I state my opinion, I defend my opinion, and I do it without resorting to insults. If you feel I don't have the proper mechanical experience, that's completely your prerogative, and it's my prerogative to chuckle about it.

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Early 2000's: 1992 Summit sedan - 14.1 @ 100.9mph w/ 155/80 13s
2012: 1989 Dodge Colt GT Turbo - 14.9 @ 100mph, 10psi/s16G