That's too big.
Trying to hit a certain trap speed doesn't necesarily mean you have to be running a gigantic turbo. 120mph can be achieved with a 16g, it just depends on the rest of your setup.
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| Author: | pyro719 [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Pyro's Noob questions... Making my 1989 mirage faster. |
Trying to figure out wich turbo to go with im not really concerned with low end power looking for something the will have a useable power band that will work on the street and strip. Looking to trap over 120mph |
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| Author: | Red Sleeper [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
60-1.. 35r will be more then enough |
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| Author: | CSM Shaun [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
That's too big. Trying to hit a certain trap speed doesn't necesarily mean you have to be running a gigantic turbo. 120mph can be achieved with a 16g, it just depends on the rest of your setup. |
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| Author: | Mechacode [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
An evo 3 16g can do it. The problem is traction. |
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| Author: | biglady112 [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
A 16g won't do it here in colorado. You need to have 60mm's or more to get it done. Or have your shit together with a 50 trim/HX35 type setup. |
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| Author: | pyro719 [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
How about a Precision 62-62 sp t3 flange? |
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| Author: | biglady112 [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
A local dsm friend of mine went 142mph in his k20 powered honda civic with his 6262. That is plenty of turbo. It won't be an easy fit. A lot of work to make something like that go in there. I run basically a GT4294 on my 1.6L. Makes big power but spools late. Way late. Don't rule out an HX40. That will get in done in any configuration here at altitude. |
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| Author: | pyro719 [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
I can get a a brand new pte 6262 with ported s cover 4" in 2.5" out for $600 seems like a pretty good deal if it will work good on the lil 1.6. |
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| Author: | biglady112 [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
It will work fine. Anything over 20psi and I am sure it will trap well into the 120s. You need a lot of work to get there though. Pretty much the entire supporting mod list. To make it more reliable, safe and predictable, I would recommend addressing the differential. The motor can handle it, but expect to make full boost near 6000rpm. Maybe a tad later. Just a matter of fact with the displacement. You can watch my youtube video of the red hatch dynoing. But the payoff is what is in the incar video of us flying down the highway on youtube. That will be the power band. It can be done, just know it is a lot of work to get there, especially when you don't have room to work with and there will be some fabrication involved. Go for it. Would love to see another badass csm locally. |
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| Author: | dragstr4g61t [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
Just based on his wants, i would honestly thing a bolt on 50 trim or a evo3 16g would be plenty with supporting mods. If its street driven, a 16g is a great turbo with supporting mods. All the turbo's mentioned don't even think about spooling up till past 5k rpms. I have no doubt that a e316g can get to 120 mph traps with the normal bolt on mods (ecmlink, cams, exhaust, injectors, etc). Just remember good tires and seat time are key. |
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| Author: | biglady112 [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
It took Davis a light car and a lot of runs to get to 120mph. It can be done. But it sure is a lot of work on a 16g. |
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| Author: | dragstr4g61t [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
True but Davis was still near full weight - just minor interior reductions, had stock cams, intake, everything 1.6L. Just a set of drop in cam's would have easily bumped the trap speeds not to mention a dozen other small mods to increase top end flow. |
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| Author: | pyro719 [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
dragstr4g61t I really like your setup. How does it drive on the street? I think a 16g might be a bit small for me as I will most likly swap in an 4g63 when the 61 pops  I'm new to this 4cyl turbo thing so I can use all the help I can get! I've been racing Camaro's for the past few years the last one being an 02 ls1 car and all it took was a cam, bolt ons and 150 shot in a 3600# Car to run 11.50 @ 120 on my first pass @ Pueblo lol
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| Author: | Mechacode [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
A 350hp setup with an evo III 16g is more than enough in a 2200lb car. As I said, the problem becomes traction at higher power levels. |
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| Author: | biglady112 [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how big of turbo is to big for 61t? |
Jared and I have both pushed our 1.6L's to 400+hp UNCORRECTED here at altitude. While I was made it to the track with the bigger power, Jared has shown what that kind of power can do. You really have to do something wrong to hurt your stock engine in that car. It ran just as hard if not more so because of I good clutch as my red colt did when it was stock. And there is at least one if not two exhaust leaks, throttle body seals need replaced and I am sure plenty of other tune up stuff and it could be even quicker. It does not take much, you just have to be smart about it and seal both the intake and exhaust up. Don't be suprised if there is a broken exhaust manifold stuf or two. On the summit i just traded off, there was 2 broken studs. My colt also had two. For me personally, a 16g is just not fun. I know when they are strung out they can put it down. But I tuned a 2g last week and we pulled the hose to the wastegate actuator. Even maxed out it was not all that wild. Fun car, but did not have that wow factor. The same guy owns that 6262 honda. He actually has the 6262 on his automatic talon right now and it will go 10's as it sits. He likely has a blown head gasket or a damaged block as he can't stop pushing coolant. I know a few local guys have gone fast with small stuff, but for me it is just not the same. Big turbo means big power. Plain and simple. My colt's problem was traction. When I had my first mirage I went nearly 130mph with about 375whp uncorrected. Having a KAAZ limited slip made all the difference. That car was the most predictable one I have ever had. The colt was the smoothest. Like mecha said, traction is key. Wrong wheel drive is a killer every time. Jason can tell you that as he has a mountain of horsepower but can't put it down yet. |
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