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Author:  pimpy rider [ Fri May 08, 2015 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:  1980 colt vs 1993 colt
ok this is kind of a stupid thread ill admit it. how can anybody else but me decide what to do
to start, for anyone who doesnt know, i built me a SICK 2300 lb 93 awd colt 4g63t. i havent run it at the track yet, ive put over 1000kms light driving on it just breaking in the rear diff gears and clutch, its a very mild setup, should be capable of mid 12s very easily, and when i get link, and a good tune, more power will/would be easy. it has all your basics, clutch, e316g w manifold/o2,walbro190, fmic, etc. 2.5 exhaust
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Author:  pimpy rider [ Fri May 08, 2015 10:34 pm ]
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then recently i built me a 1980 colt w/ 4g63t

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it has no intercooler, 10 psi, n/a cams (junkyard head, never bothered swapping cams, i do have some, why bother).
it makes 150hp weighs 1900 lbs its a lot of fun, even though its very slow compared to my other colt

to compare apples to apples the 4g colt was 2050 lbs iirc w/4g63 fwd.
there is really only 100-150 lb weight difference and the 4g colt has better everything. better suspension, easy to find parts for, its a no brainer. thats why i built it in the first place

the 1980 would be a serious deathtrap if i modded it. its scary as is. ran 15.2 95 mph on pizza cutter winter tires

what im getting at is, i have both of these cars, for now, its great. but the day will come where one of them will have to go and how can i possibly decide which?

everybody HATES the 80. i love both of these cars, and i really dont want to switch platforms again, but the thought of awd and 300 plus hp in the 1980 makes me pretty damn excited.
life is pretty good when your problems are this trivial i suppose
Author:  Mechacode [ Fri May 08, 2015 11:04 pm ]
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80 For a daily, 93 for a track car.
Author:  pimpy rider [ Fri May 08, 2015 11:22 pm ]
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yeah thats the sensible thing
but nobody even notices the 93.
the blue one gets laughed at, it would be way more fun at the track.
mind you i can take those rotas off the 93 for the track and put some 13" steelies on it and it would look 100 % more pathetic
Author:  lancerman [ Sat May 09, 2015 12:21 am ]
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the 80 is ugly. and drives like crap. just toooo old to put effort into.
the 93 can be made into dumbfuc impressive on all levels. parts far more available to own and enjoy for many years. personally think they are great looking cars done right.
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Author:  Shawn J [ Sat May 09, 2015 5:47 am ]
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I'd say keep the 93 relatively low power as is and daily drive it. It's safer, more comfortable, easier to get parts for etc etc. Then make the 80 a rwd race car. You can go as wild or mild as you wish and it would be unique, ugly and attract all kinds of attention doing burnouts etc. Plus with a cage and safety gear it would be safe too.
Author:  xxNocturnalxx [ Sat May 09, 2015 9:41 am ]
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^ This, and the ugly body compliments the soon to be nice engine bay very nicely. Sleeper track car for the 80. 93 for the daily.
Author:  pimpy rider [ Sat May 09, 2015 10:02 am ]
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yeah my main problem is i would want to steal a lot of the stuff from the 93 to put in to 80.
it has evo 3 lsd trans, and a custom geared 3.90 rear diff
i also have a 95 sitting at my dads place

i love the idea of using the 1980 as a dedicated track car.

awd swap is the way to go with the 1980

for now, no reason i cant just enjoy both cars. but i have a bit of ocd about my cars, im sure many here can relate. gears are always turning

ugly as hell under 2000 lbs steel wheels with pizza cutter winter tires,cutting 1.5 60 foots, just seems like piece de la resistance shit to me.

but one big downside, when i decide to take it to a proper level, it seems like its more likely to kill me.
Author:  89Mirageman [ Sat May 09, 2015 9:49 pm ]
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The 80 colt does absolutely nothing for me and reminds me of the car from Waynes World :lol: . So my vote is for the 93. Plus I am biased since I just started back working on my 94 coupe.
Author:  pimpy rider [ Sat May 09, 2015 10:20 pm ]
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the 4g is the far superior platform. i think its the best platform there is. way lighter than dsm, lighter than the 3g, evo 1-3 parts-bolt in/on.
the 1980 has it perks
its lighter
its over 30 years old. insurance costs me 130 bucks a year.
it is a pointless debate though because maybe something will happen and i wont have to make a decision.

i LOVE how ugly the 1980 is.
all the better for the track!

if i wanted a nice looking car i would get a 2g
i could just keep the 1980 fwd,run slicks and see how fast a 14b can go in a 1900 lb car.

suppse this is the most obvious answer
Author:  ColtiXim [ Sun May 10, 2015 5:56 am ]
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I love the old Colt model, my mother has bought the first A152am Colt imported in 1980.
I have owned 4 ex of it, without this story i have never been a big fan of Mitsubishi Motors ...

I'm remember a US red one swapped 4G63T at the track, but i can't find any link today.
Author:  Flying Eagle [ Sun May 10, 2015 10:09 am ]
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Yes, he was a frequent member up until about 2008? They called it the lady bug, because it had a black hood and was maroon/red in color.

Somebody will remember his screen name. There are videos out there also.
Author:  Flying Eagle [ Sun May 10, 2015 10:13 am ]
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8valveprick

but that is not the one I remember ... it was maroon in color and his name was a little more family friendly IIRC. 8)
Author:  pimpy rider [ Sun May 10, 2015 9:26 pm ]
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yeah i found him as well, he didnt really go into detail of the swap. the only info wirth mention is 1900-1950 full tank and interior(thats my car)his was probably lighter im sure it could be stripped and lightened a fair bit

ive had a bit of a dream project of rear engined suxuki swift/geo metro. i think that could potentially be 1700 maybe 1600 lbs with 4g63t. they came stock 1600 w/3cyl so youd gain 200 lbs going 4g63t.
i would think it would have very scary understeer!
sometimes maybe some ideas should not be pursued. a first gen swift is 1450 lbs or so, even better!

you see what i mean, its tough to stick with one platform for me.

i could see all sorts of issues with rear engine swap besides understeer too like engine overheating and insane amounts of fab work. but i would think it would be worth it?
i know im kind of obsessed with light weight, and it would be very easy to make my already crazy light car run 11s
Author:  pimpy rider [ Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:37 am ]
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got my awd colt out to the track. it ran 12.5 109 1.9 60 foot. it wAs AMAZING there. the evo 3 tranny is best mod ive ever done, never ever misses a shift. ive never shifted that fast and consistenly in a dsm. i was bouncing off the limiter as i crossed thru the traps, i feel i would have definately been over 110 had i taller gears/bigger tires as my engine peaks around 6500 rpm possibly would have done 114. ill have to study other similar 1/8 times
makes me think to just leave that one as the track car, but if i can get some cheap slicks id still like to try to beat that time with this blue one.

i dont need to go lighter, my end goal is 11.50 and i feel that should be easily attainable with a good tune, and bigger , stickier tires.
bigger stickier tires alone would get me close
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