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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:55 am 
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I have a 1989 Plymouth Colt E 1.5l. Its a base model; it doesn't even have a passenger side view mirror. Swapped in a 4g63t and an F5m22 (or km206) (N/T dsm 1991, small shaft).

Passenger axle fits and locks fine. Driver falls out. In the archives here there is no mention of needing a driverside axle. And in the c50 swap archive in the swap forum, it actually says that the 1.5l axles work in this swap. I search through posts here and have seen it said both ways: 1.5 driverside axle works, it doesnt work. Did my axle fall out because it doesnt fit deep enough; or because of something else, like a weak C-clip or not pushing it in enough for it to lock?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:59 am 
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What hubs/knuckles/spindles are you using? Also, what engine mounts?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:09 pm 
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Original captive style hubs. Car was virgin. N/T dsm trans mount. 1.5l engine mount modified (sits at a slight angle in the receiver on the wheel well, but theres plenty of play in the rubber for this). 1.5l rear rollstop, i believe. and i cant remember the front rollstop. Im at work away from the car. . .

Regardless, the driverside axle is plenty long enough for it to slide all the spline shaft in completely and there was no leak at the seal when it is slid in as far as i can. I dont really feel it lock in. But the cv joint housing is all the way up to the seal.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:17 pm 
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Could be an issue of worn-out CV. I had this issue with my OE CV in the Summit with the OE km206 and a new CV solved it.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:37 pm 
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when u pull it out of the trans.. does it have the clip ring on the part that goes into the trans.. it should be 1/4 -1/2" from the end.. if not then that is why it wont lock in.

on a side note..with the swapu should consider getting the halfshaft axle setup instead of the long one..

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:44 pm 
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on a side note..with the swapu should consider getting the halfshaft axle setup instead of the long one...
I know from experience that the two-piece axles do not work with the km206. The carrier bearing bolt-holes will not be even close to the threads on the back of the block.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:27 pm 
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Thanks for the responses. Im so close to done i can taste it!

Based on both your replies, the axle has to come out. Im sure the clip came out the first time i pulled it out of the original km201. But i did NOT pay attention when i put it in the f5m22/km206. So i can measure, does anyone know the distance between the end of the shaft and the c-clip required fir either the km201 or the other transmissions? Thats the problem with the shaft falling out issue, right?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:31 pm 
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The clips are known to break or simply wear and no longer "spring" into place. I don't think the distance from the end of the shaft to the clip is as important as having a strong clip.


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The clips are known to break or simply wear and no longer "spring" into place. I don't think the distance from the end of the shaft to the clip is as important as having a strong clip.
I meant the distance is the issue when you have whatever axle that pops out. isn't there an axle that has the problem of popping out of the transmission?. . . I was trying to make sure that this isnt that axle.or is everybody sure that my original axles should fit properly?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:54 pm 
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If you were to use DSM spindles with the 1.5l OG axles then I could see the axle being too short and the CV pulling out of the transmission. As you are using the km206 axles with the OE spindles length should not be an issue. You pickin' up what I'm puttin' down?


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As you are using the km206 axles with the OE spindles length should not be an issue. You pickin' up what I'm puttin' down?
The original trans i had was the km201. My original axles i am using fit into that trans. And i put in the f5m22, which i understand is also called the km206. Am i off base here?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:18 pm 
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The spline count and diameter of said splines at the truneons and CV joints will be the same between all the axles. What changes is the length and diameter of the shaft. (that's what she said!)


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So everything that goes in the hole :jive: is the same between all the axles. Getting it there is what is different. Haha!

EDIT: So youre probably right, the clip is probably weak or possibly missing.


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Do you have access to a f5m33? The only thing I'd worry about is the NT trans holding up under the power. The 22 was only designed to handle NT power, stock turbo power is pushing it, I can only guess at how long it would last behind an upgraded turbo motor. 33's are cheap and you can use the equal length axle setup with it.

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Mechacode is right. The only thing that saved my km206 from a painful death was the slipping clutch. It acted like a power-limiter.


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